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1. Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 15:19:55 UTC Danyl Strype

   • Bob Mottram
   @bob makes sense. It's always seemed like a blisteringly stupid idea to let hardware companies shoehorn proprietary blobs into kernel space
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 05:14:36 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Eugen
     @gargron I suspect Mastodon is being groomed for a large injection of VC funds with the accompany corporate takeover.
     http://qttr.at/1rsr
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 05:17:24 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Eugen
     @gargron this is what happened to Twitter. Please #Mastodon devs, don't take their money, keep control of your project, and keep federating
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 05:18:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Eugen
     @gargron there are ways for the user community to help you fund dev costs including #goteo #gratipay #opencollective #BitCoin donations etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 05:23:54 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero were you one of the original dev group? Sorry for the shit I used to give you guys on my blog (putting my 2 readers off) :P
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:11:49 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero seriously though, I why is #Mastodon the first OStatus federation app to get such a surge of mainstream attention/ uptake?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:14:03 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero ok. it could be because the UX is streets ahead of its predecessors, and inspired by a popular third-party #birdsite client
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:17:01 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero but could it be that the other projects have worn anti-centralization and anti-corporate values on their collective sleeves?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:18:31 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Eugen
     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero could it be that the VCs are hoping @gargron is isolated, recruitable? Do you they think he could be the next Linus or Dries?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:21:01 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero Exactly my point! The OStatus #federation and #GS origins are being played down by corporate tech press versions of the story
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:23:37 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero but #Diaspora media coverage was #crowdfunding hype. They were never offered VC funding  due to being overtly anti-#FarceBook
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:25:01 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero "grandeur" is not the word. Linus and Dries both effectively sold out their projects to corporate interests for VC funding
   • pettter ✅ (pettter)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:25:51 UTC pettter ✅

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @strypey @deadsuperhero Not to put too fine a point on it, I think it's because it's kind of weird and strange when so much is being done by centralized services.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:26:19 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero they were isolated itch-scratchers (sound familiar?), and had no clear commitment to any values, which made them recruitable
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:28:08 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero I hope you're right. My original posts stated a *suspicion* and asked #Mastodon devs to say "no thanks" to any VC $ offered
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:29:26 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero but I think it's worth noting pretty much no VC-funded start-up has a viable business model. That's Rushkoff's point and mine
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:30:46 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero do you want me to find the original #Diaspora crowdfunding page on #KickStarter? It was *explicitly* pitched as a FB killer
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:42:05 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero ok, I'll retract and qualify that, explicitly anti-centralization, therefore implicitly anti-FB. Can we agree on that much?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:44:08 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • pettter ✅
     @pettter true, but people have been talking about that, and building free code to address it for over a decade. Why now? Why #Mastodon?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:45:45 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Eugen
     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero just to be crystal clear, I'm not accusing @gargron of anything at all. Quite the opposite. I suggest he check his locks ;)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:49:05 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Eugen
     I'm *speculating* on how the body-snatching corporate hivemind *may* hope they can use @gargron to their own end. Watch out bro!
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 06:55:59 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero if Linus and Dries were committed to non-corporate values we wouldn't need #Linux-libre, or #BackDrop and #Druptopia
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:24:41 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero right, because this what VCs want, because investors keen on acquisitions/ IPOs think they are buying "intellectual property"
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:25:55 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero so free code projects that explicitly anti-centralization, and explicitly or implicitly anti-corporate, don't appeal to VC
   • presentBoyfriend? (deadsuperhero)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:26:30 UTC presentBoyfriend?

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     @strypey "Intellectual Property" is essentially a term that means "junk drawer of methods and utilities that we can use to further our own product while undermining others."

     Software patent law is a strange and tragic minefield, one that largely tilts in favor of businesses with deep pockets.

     Danyl Strype repeated this.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:28:46 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I hope so. Reductive misrepresentations of the #Federation and its related projects in the state media are a liability, not an asset
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:32:38 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob what I was getting at in the OP is I suspect they are *already*, and this is driving at least *some* journo interest behind the scenes
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:36:12 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero agreed, but convincing deep-pocketed capitalists that speculation on such "assets" isn't productive is like debating goldbugs
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:37:45 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Matthew Davidson
     @mjd fair cop, but "enterprise " means "inside your corporate firewall". It's a totally different market from "web-based social network".
   • presentBoyfriend? (deadsuperhero)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:38:03 UTC presentBoyfriend?

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     @strypey Hence the huge circle-jerk about blockchains.

     Danyl Strype repeated this.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:38:24 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Matthew Davidson
     @mjd #Mastadon's appeal is at least partly the network effect of being part of a much larger, pre-existing #Federation
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:39:32 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero agreed. #blockchains aren't useless, but give some people a hammer and they start thinking every damn thing is a nail ;P
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:43:07 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero there seems to be an underlying obsession with "trustless" systems that's distinctly goldbuggish. Why don't we trust anymore?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:44:48 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Matthew Davidson
     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero @mjd exactly. So capitalists will be scratching their heads about how to recuperate and commodify it, like they did the web
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:46:08 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero yes, absolutely, whether you mean on the internet or in general. Email federation is incredibly trusting, ergo spam :(
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:46:57 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero a trustless email system would have made the sending server store all outgoing email until the sender explicityl received it
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:48:24 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero ok, sorry, but it's an important question to ask before one can answer my question. See the email example
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 07:57:33 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob take this piece of sci fi, 'humble computer science graduate single-handedly invented The #Federation last year'
     http://qttr.at/1rt0
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:00:45 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob no mention whatsoever of any of the real backstory, or the pioneering developers who have been building The #Federation for a decade
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:42:24 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Matthew Davidson
     citation please @mjd. I don't think IPO/ acquisition is required by law, but by finance (ie neo-liberal capitalist financialization)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:44:25 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Matthew Davidson
     @mjd "optimising the software for corporate use" *can* mean "de-optimising for other uses", depends what *kind* of corporate use is intended
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:47:11 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Matthew Davidson
     @mjd "inside firewall" is a *very* different use case to "Twitter clone" and gels better with the decentralized way we use the software
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:49:07 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero if email protocols assumed most volume is email being irresponsibly used (ie spam), they would put storage burden on sender.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 08:50:09 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero that didn't happen because when email protocols were being designed, there was trust that email would be used responsibly
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:15:45 UTC Danyl Strype

     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz you forgot Sun (and others on the server side), but I think I get your point. Participation by corporations increased choice?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:19:10 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz I'm not saying corporations using or contributing to Linux is bad. I'm saying Linus allowing binary blobs in #Linux is bad
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:19:55 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz if Linus had a strong bedrock of values, he would have made those corporations free their code if they wanted it in #Linux
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:24:01 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz that wouldn't stop proprietary gear being support using userspace hacks and that's good for GNU/Linux adoption
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:25:03 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz but if Linux denied those companies the privilege of being in the kernel space, that would be an incentive to free their code
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:26:00 UTC Danyl Strype

     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz yeah, it could eaten by Oracle, but that's a separate discussion ;) Sun was dominated by Linus and Dries types too
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 11:26:58 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz which is why #LibreOffice and other forks of former Sun projects are making much faster progress now, no Sun interference
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:04:07 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • neimzr4luzerz
     @bob @neimzr4luzerz all of us would be tempted, but some of us would say "no", as Stallman and rest of the GNU Project did. Values first.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:05:29 UTC Danyl Strype

     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz which one is the "it works it ships" operating system?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:07:00 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz keeping in mind the OS an GNU, #Linux is a kernel used with it, just as Android is an OS, Linux is a kernel used with it etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:10:03 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Matthew Davidson
     @mjd have you read #Rushkoff's 'Throwing Rocks...' book? It explains this really well. He sums it all up in this talk
     http://qttr.at/1rsr
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:29:25 UTC Danyl Strype

     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz just clarifying in case "Linux" was the answer to the prior question about which OS you were referring to.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:42:32 UTC Danyl Strype

     • neimzr4luzerz
     @neimzr4luzerz why am I starting to suspect I've been trying to have a reasoned discussion with a bot...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:44:07 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob new microkernel(s) for use with GNU or Android or both or something else?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:49:53 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob sorry I'm a bit lost. Are you saying these kernels are more likely to be adopted than HURD?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:51:32 UTC Danyl Strype

     • presentBoyfriend?
     @deadsuperhero why is it that no one will use #Zot? From the limited testing of #Hubzilla I've done so far, it seems to work well
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 13:55:39 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I have 0 knowledge about the guts of HURD but I have read stuff that suggests it's at least at a beta stage of dev; eg Debian/HURD?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 14:00:49 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Panashe M. Fundira
     @munyari it's what #Stallman would call a "ruinous compromise", a quick and dirty way for OS using #Linux kernels to support more hardware
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 14:52:04 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob could this mean that the #HURD design is far ahead of its time there was no point working towards a stable release until about now?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 14:53:18 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob for some reason I like the idea of kicking drivers out of kernelspace, even though I have only the vaguest notion of what that means
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 15:21:08 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob you may as well email all your passwords, private keys etc to every company that has a blob in the kernel, in case they miss one
   • Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Saturday, 08-Apr-2017 15:28:33 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Trisquel GNU/Linux OS
     • Bob Mottram
     @bob or swap out vanilla #Linux for #Linux-libre or use a distro that does like !trisquel or #Parabola ...
     http://qttr.at/1fpk