@dredmorbius @cwebber @njoseph @aral constraining protocols isn't possible using only #copyright (and every #free / #libre license, #copyleft or not, from @fsf or not, is based on copyright law to some extent). Fortunately, for example, in AGPL-3.0-or-later, it has provisions to allow software #patents to be used by licensee only in that copy and adaptations, thus #ActivityPub can be secured from EEE with a patent?
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Adonay Felipe Nogueira (adfeno)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 12:16:40 UTC Adonay Felipe Nogueira
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Christopher Lemmer Webber (cwebber)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 12:42:15 UTC Christopher Lemmer Webber
@adfeno @dredmorbius @njoseph @aral @fsf I really think patents are absolutely the wrong way to do it. BTW, the SocialWG and SocialCG both had/have policies to prevent its members from inserting submarine patents, and that's one reason we've done the process at the W3C as opposed to the IETF.
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Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕ (dredmorbius)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 12:53:39 UTC Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕
@adfeno @cwebber @njoseph @aral @fsf Right. More generally, some form of conformance testing and/or certification is required. Trademark or Servicemark may be used for these certs.
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Aral Balkan (aral)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 15:04:02 UTC Aral Balkan
@cwebber @adfeno @dredmorbius @njoseph @aral @fsf Also remember that the W3C is the industry organisation of Google, etc. They don’t have a problem with the business model of the behemoths of the Web, all of which are their members and shape the future of the centralised web.
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bhaugen (bhaugen)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 16:07:20 UTC bhaugen
@aral @fsf @njoseph @dredmorbius @adfeno @cwebber
We do need a new and better standards organization, but I think we also need standards, so I'm ok with ActivityPub using W3C for now.
Who's capable of setting up a new and better standards org? Is anybody working on it? I've worked with several, and e.g. ISO is not it and apparently IETF ain't either.
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Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕ (dredmorbius)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 16:25:03 UTC Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕
@aral @cwebber @adfeno @njoseph @fsf This is a huge problem with industry-funded NGOs. Capture.
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Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕ (dredmorbius)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 19:33:17 UTC Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕
@bhaugen @cwebber @adfeno @njoseph @fsf @aral Yeah. I'm not saying they're unacceptable, but pointing out the clear problems has utility.
Going it alone remains an option.
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bhaugen (bhaugen)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 19:34:45 UTC bhaugen
@dredmorbius @aral @fsf @njoseph @adfeno @cwebber
Pointing out the problems is necessary to define new and better.
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bhaugen (bhaugen)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 19:41:55 UTC bhaugen
@dredmorbius @aral @fsf @njoseph @adfeno @cwebber
> Going it alone remains an option
Do you think the ecosystem that is now developing around ActivityPub is a negative?
I understand that it will make it a more tempting target for profiteers, but anything that gets any traction is too.
We can always retreat to Scuttlebutt...
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Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕ (dredmorbius)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 19:48:41 UTC Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕
@bhaugen @cwebber @adfeno @njoseph @fsf @aral Honestly I've not been paying enough attention.
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bhaugen (bhaugen)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 20:10:32 UTC bhaugen
@dredmorbius @aral @fsf @njoseph @adfeno @cwebber
Shoot! I thought you were doing a situational assessment...
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Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕ (dredmorbius)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 20:16:35 UTC Dr. Edward Morbius ⭕
@bhaugen @cwebber @adfeno @njoseph @fsf @aral I know enough of the general landscape of networks, comms, (political) power, and history of the past 40 years of infotech, etc., to speak to that.
Ihaven't specifically been following the ActivityPub situation closely enoughto address its status or who should be the governing standards body.
I'm actively exploring issues of protocols, development, adoption, etc.
Just to be clear of my self-assessed strengths & weaknesses.
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bhaugen (bhaugen)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 20:37:34 UTC bhaugen
@dredmorbius @aral @fsf @njoseph @adfeno @cwebber
Some of us are looking for either a new and better standards body, which seems unlikely, or who can create such a thing.
In the meantime, liking AP so far.
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Balu (balu)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Aug-2018 09:07:38 UTC Balu
@adfeno @dredmorbius @cwebber @njoseph @aral @fsf Patents are just leg irons for our society. They give power to the powerful. They provide a legal way to crunch start-ups before they get dangerous to the monopolies. (FYI: I hate patents 😬 )
Luckily it's too late to file a patent for#ActivityPub. You can't file a patent for something that is already published.
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